Error clock skew detected

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pbielen
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2002 8:13 am    Post subject: Clock skew detected ! Reply with quote

When i compile the kernel and do make menuconfig i got an error that says… Clock skew detected, your build seems incomplete…

How can i fix this ?

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2002 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happens if you set your system date backwards. Files can end up dated in the future.

Do a:

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make clean

then

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find . -exec touch {};

to set all the dates to the current time. Make sure you are in the /usr/src/linux directory when you do this. :)

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2002 5:59 am    Post subject: command not correct ? Reply with quote

when i use «find . -exec touch {};»

it gives me the next error…

find: missing argument to `-exec´

seems something is not correct.

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2002 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

try doing:

find . -print | xargs touch

and see if that works

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2002 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had that same error as pbielen when making my kernel. the first suggestion gave me the same error but the second suggestion worked and when i recompiled the kernel i no longer received teh clock skew detected error. thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2002 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case someone new to Linux wonders:

find . -exec touch{};

should’ve been

find . -exec touch {} ;

be careful not to leave ALT-gr pressed when enetering the space after touch!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I hate to bring old threads like this up to the surface, but it beats starting a new thread I guess ;). Anyways, let’s just say a guy, we can call him, oh, I don’t know, R0B_IX, decided to change his system time to the correct time while he was emerging a package, well, for the sake of keeping the identity of the package hidden, we will call it, kdebase. Well, now everytime this «kdebase» changes folders, «R0B_IX» sees a message that says «clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete». Does this mean that I, ah, I mean R0B_IX will have to rebuild this «kdebase» again? or will the build end up working out fine?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should all come out fine in the end. It’s just being paranoid and telling you about the timestamps being weird.

Ntp is your friend :P
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R0B_IX wrote:
Well, I hate to bring old threads like this up to the surface, but it beats starting a new thread I guess ;). Anyways, let’s just say a guy, we can call him, oh, I don’t know, R0B_IX, decided to change his system time to the correct time while he was emerging a package, well, for the sake of keeping the identity of the package hidden, we will call it, kdebase. Well, now everytime this «kdebase» changes folders, «R0B_IX» sees a message that says «clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete». Does this mean that I, ah, I mean R0B_IX will have to rebuild this «kdebase» again? or will the build end up working out fine?

I did exactly this while doing an «emerge system». Now every time I merge any package, portage hangs at the very end while displaying «Regenerating Gnu info directory index».

Should I do to the portage directory the same trick as explained here?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what are the possible ways you can get this clock skew?

my problem was liveCD had the date wrong. it was local time but with «GMT», so as soon as I did chroot, it took me back 8 hours in PST. everything would be fine if I did «make menuconfig» only from liveCD. now everytime I boot liveCD, I have to set date to include PST or never make any changes from disk boot. why can’t it see its PST?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found on my system that I had a clock skew because I’d change the time but the hardware clock hadn’t been altered. When my system was compiling it didn’t know which was right, hence the skew.

To see if this is the problem on yours try using «date && hwclock» and see if they match (minus a couple of seconds delay). If they are different you can sync them using «hwclock —systohc» to set the hardware clock to the same as system time or «hwclock —hctosys» to set the hardware time to the same as the system.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but isn’t that done every time you reboot/shutdown?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

devsk wrote:
but isn’t that done every time you reboot/shutdown?

It should be. Make sure you have «clock» in your boot runlevel (/etc/runlevels/boot). It’s what takes care of syncing hwclock and system clock on startup/shutdown.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

even with that, I recently noticed that no matter how many times I set and sync up the clocks, I lose about 30 minutes in 4 hrs. why is this clock not getting synced when during shutdown it says so?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

devsk wrote:
even with that, I recently noticed that no matter how many times I set and sync up the clocks, I lose about 30 minutes in 4 hrs. why is this clock not getting synced when during shutdown it says so?

lol, tell me about it. I used to lose 2 hours on my laptop during my 8 hours at work!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it took me a long while, but i found what was slowing my old system’s clock down … the insanely stupid VIA KT333 motherboard. public enemy no. 1

turns out, network traffic to that machine, slowed down the systems clock over time. Just having the network transfer a small trickle of data through the PCI bus on that motherboard, changed the timing on the system.

it also showed up in tic’s and slight stutter with video playback, i figure it was losing 1-3 seconds each minute, depending on PCI activity. Playing sound files through a sb live, over a network connection, made the time jump so much i was losing around … 4 hours a day. i got over it by sync ing every hour or so to get some semblance of accuracy, but it was futile.

they were all given separate IRQ and DMA through a few hours of madness after installing windows, linux had no effect on it’s timeliness, it just recovered less often. and now, new motherboard, no issues at all.

unrelated, but it might add some alternatives to why it is moving so far out of sync all the time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:00 pm    Post subject: the same Reply with quote

i do ‘cd /usr/src/linux then ‘make clean’ then ‘find . -print | xargs touch’

but when i type make menuconfig the second time, i get the same:

make[1]: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete.

is it any way how to fix this problem?

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zOOz wrote:

is it any way how to fix this problem?

use «UTC» in /etc/rc.conf and put ntp(info: emerge -ps ntpclient) clock sync command in your cron.hourly. It seems that Gentoo linux CAN’T keep time, no matter what!! I gave up after a long struggle(see other posts).

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Celtis wrote:
I found on my system that I had a clock skew because I’d change the time but the hardware clock hadn’t been altered. When my system was compiling it didn’t know which was right, hence the skew.

To see if this is the problem on yours try using «date && hwclock» and see if they match (minus a couple of seconds delay). If they are different you can sync them using «hwclock —systohc» to set the hardware clock to the same as system time or «hwclock —hctosys» to set the hardware time to the same as the system.

What ebuild is hwclock in?

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nadamsieee wrote:

What ebuild is hwclock in?

Thanks!


Code:
# type hwclock



hwclock is /sbin/hwclock

Code:
# qpkg -f /sbin/hwclock



-bash: qpkg: command not found

Code:
# emerge gentoolkit && qpkg -f /sbin/hwclock



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Regor wrote:
hwclock is /sbin/hwclock

Ahhh. I was trying as a normal user, so /sbin wasn’t in my path. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R0B_IX wrote:
Well, I hate to bring old threads like this up to the surface, but it beats starting a new thread I guess ;). Anyways, let’s just say a guy, we can call him, oh, I don’t know, R0B_IX, decided to change his system time to the correct time while he was emerging a package, well, for the sake of keeping the identity of the package hidden, we will call it, kdebase. Well, now everytime this «kdebase» changes folders, «R0B_IX» sees a message that says «clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete». Does this mean that I, ah, I mean R0B_IX will have to rebuild this «kdebase» again? or will the build end up working out fine?

I hate bringing up old threads to, but HELL IT WORKED! :D

Thanks alot people!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seems that your pc clock is slow.

modify it to the right time
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: digging up the past further Reply with quote

Ok well lets dig this on up again. I changed my system clock. Now all my files are set in the future. Now I could always touch every file folder by folder is there a simpler way to just touch every single file?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(points a few posts earlier where you see «find» used in conjunction with «xargs» and «touch»)

That’s the easiest method that I know of, but I’m not a shell guru.

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Version

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.19042.1348]

WSL Version

  • WSL 2
  • WSL 1

Kernel Version

5.10.102.1

Distro Version

Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS

Other Software

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Repro Steps

When building a kernel I would often get multiple clock skew errors as has been discussed in prior bugs such as #4975 when performing a:

sudo make -j 8

During compile my Vmmem and COM Surrogate processes are taking up close to 100% of my CPU cycles.
This is on a i7-3820QM:

bengalih@MOBILEONE:/mnt/c/Users/bengalih$ getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN
8

As my system date/time appears normal when starting the build process, I theorized that the heavy hit to the CPU may have been contributing to a small clock drift during compile time. I tested this theory by running with:

sudo make -j 6

I performed at least 3 builds each using 6 and 8 respectively and without fail the clock skew error appeared when using the full 8 core, but never when I ran with 6.
(EDIT: On last build with «6» I did get one skew error when I also opened a zoom meeting on my device during build. This was an anomaly as on all other 6 builds I did not get any skew and on the 8 runs I would get multiple per run).

While this is not a «bug» per-se, many people seeing this issue at build time may be in a similar situation where they are using slightly older processors. However, it may be considered a bug that the kernel scheduler is not reserving cycles for keeping time in sync (as there have been reported other clock skew issues outside of just build).

I wanted to give this as a PSA for others having the issue, and maybe a more official note can be made somewhere, perhaps in the build instructions:

https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel

Expected Behavior

clock can remain in sync even when running highly CPU intensive tasks.

Actual Behavior

clock appears to lose time when running highly CPU intensive tasks.

Diagnostic Logs

make[3]: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete.

1. Overview

While building an executable using make, we may sometimes get a “Clock skew detected” warning.

In this tutorial, we’ll see an example of this warning. Then, we’ll discuss how to solve it.

2. Examination of the Problem

We’ll examine the problem using an example.

2.1. Code Example

We’ll use the C program, hello_world.c, to analyze the problem:

#include <stdio.h>

int main()
{
    printf("Hello Worldn");

    return 0;
}

The program just prints Hello World and exits.

We’ll use the following Makefile to build the program:

.PHONY: all
all: hello_world

hello_world: hello_world.c
	@gcc hello_world –o hello_world

.PHONY: clean
clean:
	@rm –f hello_world

Now, let’s build the program using make:

$ pwd
/home/alice/hello_world_project
$ ls
hello_world.c Makefile
$ make
$ ls
hello_world hello_world.c Makefile

We built the executable, hello_world, successfully. Let’s run the program:

$ ./hello_world
Hello World

The program runs as expected.

2.2. Creation of the Problem

Now, we’ll try to obtain the “Clock skew detected” warning. However, let’s first check the modification time of hello_world:

$ ls –l hello_world
-rwxr-xr-x 1 alice alice 17536 Jan 17 08:02 hello_world
$ date
Tue Jan 17 08:02:43 +03 2023

We’ll change the modification time of hello_world using the touch command:

$ touch –t 202401010000 hello_world 
$ ls –l hello_world
-rwxr-xr-x 1 alice alice 17536 Jan  1  2024 hello_world

The -t option of touch sets the modification time of a file to the specified time. We set the modification time of hello_world to a time in the future.

Let’s also update hello_world.c:

#include <stdio.h>

int main()
{
    printf("Hello Worldn");
    printf("Hello World againn");

    return 0;
}

We just added the printf(“Hello World againn”) statement.

Now, let’s build the program once more using make:

$ make
make: Warning: 'hello_world' has modification 30123485 s in the future
make: Nothing to be done for 'all'
make: warning:  Clock skew detected.  Your build may be incomplete.

We got the “Clock skew detected” warning.

2.3. Analysis of the Problem

While performing an incremental build, make first checks the modification times of source files. If the modification time of a source file is more recent than the previously built executable using the source file, make rebuilds the executable.

However, this is the opposite in our case. The modification time of the previously built executable, hello_world, is more recent than the modification time of hello_world.c. This is the reason for getting the warning.

Let’s run hello_world once more:

$ ./hello_world
Hello World

As the output of running hello_world shows, we couldn’t even build the updated code – we don’t see Hello World again in the output.

Therefore, when we have the “Clock skew detected” warning, the source code may not even be built. It may also cause unnecessary builds.

3. Solution

Making a clean build solves the problem since the clean rule in the Makefile removes the executable using rm –f hello_world:

$ make clean 
$ make
$ ls –l hello_world
-rwxr-xr-x 1 alice alice 17536 Jan 17 08:13 hello_world

We cleaned the executable using make clean. Then, we rebuilt it using make. The modification time of the executable, hello_world, was updated as expected.

Clean build of a big project that has hundreds of source files may take a long time. Therefore, manually removing only the executable that causes the warning might be useful for having an incremental build.

However, the main reason for getting the warning is the time difference between machines. For example, we might be working in an NFS (Network File System) mounted directory, and the clocks on the NFS server and the client may not be synchronized. We tried to simulate this situation by changing modification time of the built executable. Therefore, the real solution of the problem is the time synchronization of the machines using a protocol like NTP (Network Time Protocol).

4. Conclusion

In this article, we discussed the “Clock skew detected” warning that we may come across while building an executable with make.

First, we saw an example to understand the problem. The reason for the problem was the more recent modification time of the executable than the source file’s modification time.

Then, we discussed how to avoid the problem. We saw that making a clean build solves it. It’s also possible to have an incremental build by just removing the executable with the modification time in the future.

Finally, we learned that the real solution is synchronizing the system times of the machines using a protocol like NTP.

If you have a few years of experience in the Linux ecosystem, and you’re interested in sharing that experience with the community, have a look at our Contribution Guidelines.

  • #1

Hello, on my test Ceph cluster (4 nodes ) this morning i have this Warning
«Monitor clock skew detected»

root@n1:~# ceph health detail
HEALTH_WARN clock skew detected on mon.1, mon.2; Monitor clock skew detected
mon.1 addr 10.10.10.2:6789/0 clock skew 0.085488s > max 0.05s (latency 0.00120293s)
mon.2 addr 10.10.10.3:6789/0 clock skew 0.0755085s > max 0.05s (latency 0.00137496s)

I have installed ntp ntpdate but still have this error..
Any suggestion ?

Thanks

wolfgang


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Hi,

have you also disable systemd-timesyncd.service
and do you use the same server at the ntpd?

  • #3

apt-get install ntp ntpdate and reboot fix the problem.

Thanks

  • #4

Hi,

have you also disable systemd-timesyncd.service
and do you use the same server at the ntpd?

Hello Wolfgang,
we also have ceph clock skew.

currently we use for all nodes:
1- timedatectl set-ntp true
2- same servers in timesyncd.conf

I was reading up on systemd ntp and instead want to run ntp the old way.

so I figure these are the steps:

disable systemd timedatectl

Code:

timedatectl set-ntp false

install and configure real ntp
at all pve nodes

configure all by using the same /etc/default/ntpdate , 1ST entry to local ntp server

set up ntp server . we’ll use pfsense to start.

am I missing something in that set up?

wolfgang


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Hi Rob

use ntpd.

ntpdate set the time and this makes problems.

What I mean is ceph do not like time jumps. ntpd is a daemon and do not set the time hard, it makes correction with accelerate the time or decelerate the time.

  • #6

Hi Rob

use ntpd.

ntpdate set the time and this makes problems.

What I mean is ceph do not like time jumps. ntpd is a daemon and do not set the time hard, it makes correction with accelerate the time or decelerate the time.

OK — How do I use ntpd ? Is that just the systemd set up using :

wolfgang


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First you have to install ntpd
then edit the /etc/ntp.conf

set systemd-timesyncd on ntpd as you wrote
restart ntpd

  • #8

OK then this is what we’ll do to try to fix clock skew warning in ceph.

that should just work to deal with time settings on a node and not server time to network

adjust /etc/ntp.conf if you want to — change/add servers or be a ntp server for the local network

  • #10

We are still getting ‘Monitor clock skew detected’ after ntp changes.

quick question —

we have mon on same network as osd .
our osd systems are not mons

is it a good practice to use the same network for osd and mon?

wolfgang


  • #11

Yes the for small setups it is ok.
The main propose of separating this 2 networks is the network load.
So if you network has no capacity problems it is ok.

  • #13

Meet time sync problem with PVE 5.4 strange, that ntp time sync not enabled by default.

  • #14

Every time I find problems with time sync, I use chrony

  • #15

Every time I find problems with time sync, I use chrony

+1 for chrony.
(I think it could be great to have it by default for proxmox6 instead timesyncd)

  • #16

No-matter what, but something should be enable by default, to sync time :)

  • #17

No-matter what, but something should be enable by default, to sync time :)

systemd-timesyncd.service is enable by default.

but it’s not precise like a true ntp server. (it’s basicaly something like a ntpdate running at some interval, but ceph really need low drift)

  • #18

Hello Spirit ,

after install chrony ,

what adjustments if any do you make to /etc/chrony/chrony.conf ?

so far we just adjust the ‘server’ line to attempt to use something local to our timezone.

Last edited: Apr 21, 2019

  • #19

Hello Spirit ,

after install chrony ,

what adjustments if any do you make to /etc/chrony/chrony.conf ?

so far we just adjust the ‘server’ line to attempt to use something local to our timezone.

I keep default settings and only change server to our internal ntp server.

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Привет.
Пишу проект.
Все было ок. Вдруг — начала вылазить ошибка вида

Код

\ Компиляция первого модуля (file.h)
make: Warning: File '../proj/file.h' has modification time 3209 s in the future
\ компиляция остальных модулей
make: warning:  Clock skew detected.  Your build may be incomplete.

Программа компилируется, работает. Однако ошибка — напрягает.

Полазил по гуглам — везде рекомендуют выставить верное системное время. Оно — верное

Код

[pavel@localhost ~]$ date
]Чт. авг.  2 13:12:17 MSK 2012

С горя даже компутер перезагрузил.

Ось — fedora 17
Qt Creator 2.4.1

Спасибо.

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Заново пересохрани этот файл, что бы у него дата изменения обновилась. Хотя, если он пишет, что дата файла на 3209 секунд новее, то менее чем через час должно пройти.



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Пересохранил… Не помогло.
Однако время уменьшилось… И уменьшается с каждым билдом.
Посмотрим, что будет позже… Спасибо.

А с чем связана то ошибка такого рода?
В чем первопричина?



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очисти проект, так же в насройках креатора, можно выставить что бы он подтягивал изменения файлов которые сделаны вне его и посмтри что и как



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02.08.2012, 13:38

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Может комп в домене (проверь обновление с тайм сервера есть или нет),
а после перезапуска время востанавливается (проверь свой часовой пояс),
да, есть еще возможность в биосе время подправить (+- пояс или смещение)
банально — удали файл и пересоздай его скопировав содержимое прежнего…



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02.08.2012, 13:41

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очисти проект

Без толку) Это первое, что я сделал.

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удали файл и пересоздай его скопировав содержимое прежнего

Не первое, что я сделал, однако так же бесполезно)

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можно выставить что бы он подтягивал изменения файлов которые сделаны вне его

Искал минут 7. Пока не нашел. По-позже свежим взглядом еще гляну =)

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проверь обновление с тайм сервера есть или нет

Да, все ок. Совпадение — секунда в секунду.

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(проверь свой часовой пояс)

И с этим тоже все ок…



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02.08.2012, 13:43

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Пересохранил… Не помогло

Измени там хоть один символ… а то когда просто сохраняешь без изменений, он может не сохранить.

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И уменьшается с каждым билдом

Оно просто со временем уменьшается.

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А с чем связана то ошибка такого рода?

Похоже, что по какой-то причине дата создания файла указана неверно. Т.е. если сейчас 13:37, то у твоего файла указано время 14:20 (например). Вот он и говорит, что такого не может быть… что файл не мог быть создан в будущем. Поэтому он и предупреждает, что на компьютере какие-то проблемы с часами. Из-за чего это произошло изначально не знаю… видимо, почему-то часы прыгнули вперёд, а потом вернулись обратно…. и пока они спешили, ты сохранил файл. Подозреваю, что это произошло во время синхронизации времени с интернетовским сервером. Может, они там часы перевели на час вперёд.

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А может, эта цифра при сохранении файла опять увеличивается до 3600 ?



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02.08.2012, 14:25

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Файл я создал с нуля…
Ладно, еще 1400 секунд.
Подождем…

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А может, эта цифра при сохранении файла опять увеличивается до 3600 ?

Да нет =)

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По истечении заявленного времени, ошибка самоустранилась.
Всем спасибо



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Привет всем, в рамках одного HA кластера виртуальная машина почему то не хочет мигрировать. Виртуалка выключена. При валидации выдает такую ошибку.

Too large clock skew was detected. Relative time skew 3081510405 between source and destination hosts is greater than five minutes.

Время что ли разное ? Как так может быть ?

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