Error initializing eleven rack midi engine

I have been getting an "Error Initializing CoreMidi" message when I start up Logic Pro X - but intermittently. I've rebooted and restarted numerous times, most often with the message, occasionally it works but with no rhyme or reason. Frustrating. I have deleted and re-installed logic... I'm just...

So I learned on another forum that the problem is caused by a hard coded timeout in Logic Pro X for initializing CoreMidi, and that with the most recent versions of OS X, CoreMidi takes significantly longer to load than with prior versions of the OS. Considering how many professional musicians use Macs and Logic Pro to get stuff done, it is absolutely appalling and unforgivable that Apple hasn’t fixed this problem yet. It’s a totally known issue. I suspect it’s a politics issue of the Logic Pro team pointing to the OS X team and saying it’s their problem to fix, and the OS X team pointing to the Logic Pro team and saying they should just remove the hard coded timeout limit, and neither team is budging.

So for now, those of us experiencing this problem must always remember to first open Audio Midi Setup, then go to Window / Show Midi Studio and let it fully initialize and display all the midi drivers, and then—and only then—load Logic Pro X. And when that doesn’t work, reboot and retry that sequence.

The product teams at Apple should really be embarrassed.

I recently upgraded my 2018 MacBook Pro to MacOS Mojave and I started getting an error every time I launch Logic Pro X:

Error Initializing CoreMIDI

It’s not just a spurious message, because MIDI I/O doesn’t work. I can use internal software instruments and sequenced or already recorded MIDI events, but I can’t record new MIDI or play any virtual instruments.

Possibly related: Logic also takes about 30 seconds to launch, which is unusually long considering the specs of the computer.

asked Jan 30, 2019 at 19:18

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This is a known issue in Mojave. There’s something wrong with CoreMIDI that causes it to take much longer to initialize than it used to. Logic Pro X has a hard-coded CoreMIDI initialization timeout that expires before CoreMIDI finishes starting, so Logic on High Sierra takes a long time to launch (waiting for CoreMIDI), and then can’t use MIDI because the timeout expires.

A good workaround is to initialize CoreMIDI before launching Logic. An easy way to do this is to launch the Audio MIDI Setup utility and open the MIDI Studio window. It will take an unusually long time to load the MIDI studio, but after it has loaded, CoreMIDI will be initialized. Leave that open and launch Logic and it will open up much faster and MIDI will work.

Any other app that initializes CoreMIDI will work also. Advantages of using the Audio MIDI Setup utility is that every Mac has it and it is fairly lightweight, so you leave maximum processing power available for Logic.

Edit: Updating to Catalina also fixes the problem.

answered Jan 30, 2019 at 19:22

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This issue just popped up for me as well- same symptoms (CoreMIDI error when launching Logic Pro X). I had recently updated to Logic 10.4.4, but the big difference is this- I’m still on High Sierra. I’m using an iMac Pro 2017, and Logic had been opening slower than it does on my 2012 Mac Mini. That issue was annoying, but the error was a showstopper.

Keeping the MIDI Setup running in the background did the trick, «fixing» the slow app launch and error messages.

answered Feb 1, 2019 at 16:57

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Here’s what works for me:

  1. Set the default startup action in Logic to ‘Do nothing’.
  2. Start Logic.
  3. If the Coremidi error message occurs, quit and restart Logic instantly.
  4. Voilá, no error this time.

my setup is: Mac Mini 2018, osx 10.14.5 (Mojave)

Intrestingly, this error never came up for a month since i started using Logic. At one point, my 2 year old daughter turned the power off. After this (maybe just coincidence) i started receiving this error, but not always… Maybe I should try resetting some VRAM or PRAM.

answered Jun 14, 2019 at 8:46

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Open Logic Pro X

  1. Preferences
  2. Midi
  3. Reset All Midi Drivers

Close and Reopen Logic Pro X to Check

answered May 14, 2020 at 22:42

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I found that the error went away after by starting Logic without any midi controllers connected. Connecting them after start up also had no issues. Very weird.

answered Aug 5, 2019 at 23:15

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After tried everything, I downloaded «KORG USB-MIDI Driver Uninstaller» from the KORG website and uninstalled the driver: that fixed the issue for me.

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answered May 10, 2020 at 17:45

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I had this problem until, I re read some replies elsewhere on Logic Help etc and I rechecked for KORG stuff on the HD. I moved what I found to a folder on my Desktop. Trying to dump to the trash I got a message saying a file was running although I had disconnected the hardware. Loaded up Clean My Mac and uninstalled the lot. Lo and behold core midi back and no problems thus far.

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Gracias Javi, probaré como dices, yo he utilizado la salida «guitar in».
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Yo lo usaba y me funcionaba perfecto, tal como dicen, prueba el Guitar In

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#5050 Buenos días, Me podrías indicar donde conseguir la ultima versión del ilok/pace. Gracias de antemano.

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#5055 https://www.ilok.com/#!home

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#5056 Muchas gracias.

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Hola a todos. Tras actualizar a windows 10 y despues a windows 11 y no poder instalar el editor del 11r, al final, parece que he conseguido instalar el editor y el ilok además de los drivers sin que aparezca el pantallazo azul; pero ahora aparece el siguiente mensaje al intentar iniciar el editor: «Error initializing eleven rack midi engine». ¿Alquien tiene alguna idea?. Gracias.

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#5058 Prueba con otro cable, el que trae el 11r es malo, el de la impresora te debería servir…a veces en los puertos 3.0 no funciona bien y solo te va a funcionar en 64bits, pero si has instalado w11 es lo que tienes.

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#5059 Muchas gracias, lo probaré. Aunque ya cambié en su dia el cable que tenia el 11r que, efectivamente estaba defectuoso. Un saludo. Muy agradecido por tu ayuda.

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#5058 Hasta el momento los drivers del 11r son para W10. No hay drivers para W11, por eso te sale ese mensaje. No obstante, si alguien ha podido hacerlo funcionar en W11, que avise

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#5061 Hola a todos. A mi me paso igual #5058 y lo comente en el chat #5032 . No es un problema de cable. tampoco se decir el por qué pero estimo que debe ser un tema del sistema operativo W11. de hecho SIN HACER NADA volvi a probar ayer y !milagro! funcionaba!. Creo que el W11 va corrigiendo errores e incompatibilidades puesto que desde que lo instalé se ha actualizado en varias ocasiones. Os remito pantallazo con el Editor del 11R funcionando y la version del W11 por si os sirve de ayuda…….. son cosas de la informatica pero que nos despistan con los mensajes de error que nos hacen ir por caminos incomprensibles……

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#5062 Parece una buena noticia. Yo tengo el mismo sistema operativo y no funciona por ahora. Si no da problemas la instalación del editor en w10 entonces mejor no actualizar.

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yo, por si acaso, me quedo en W10

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Hello,
I have a test system with Windows 11 installed. The driver for Eleven Rack basically works. The Eleven Rack Control Panel shows the hardware as connected. I can also play songs in Windows 11 through the Eleven Rack’s sound card (mp3, wav). Only in Studio One I can’t integrate the Eleven Rack as an audio interface.
The following error message appears:
«The Avid Eleven Rack ASIO (64-bit) audio device could not be initialized. Please check your hardware and try again.»
The whole thing works perfectly on Windows 10. Does anybody has an idea?


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Avid currently only lists Windows 10 20H2 compatibility with the latest driver.
https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Download/Eleven-Rack-Drivers

Have you contacted Avid support to see if the driver and ASIO is supported in Windows 11?


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No, I haven’t contacted Avid support yet. At least the driver works with Windows 11 system (hardware connected) and with media player as described (mp3, wav). So I assumed that Studio One should also run with it. But that doesn’t seem to be the case.


Windows 10 / 11, Intel I5-12600K, Gigabyte Z690 GAMING DDR4, 32 GB RAM, Presonus R65, ESP 400Series Telecaster, Ibanez LR 750, Fender Precision Bass, Avid Eleven Rack, Faderport 16, Studio One 5 Pro, Jamstix 4, Melodyne, SSD5, EZ Drummer 3, SSL Plugins

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gaetzsch wroteNo, I haven’t contacted Avid support yet. At least the driver works with Windows 11 system (hardware connected) and with media player as described (mp3, wav). So I assumed that Studio One should also run with it. But that doesn’t seem to be the case.

DAWs use ASIO drivers (ideally).

Further info:

https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/ar … e-drivers/

The issue could be that your ASIO driver simply doesn’t work (Windows audio does not use ASIO).

You could use windows audio drivers but it’s not optimal, however check the video:

Sometimes fully removing the drivers and installing them is a good idea. Make sure you are on the latest drivers and firmware for your audio interface.

Do not be tempted to install ASIO4ALL. If you have, do a full uninstall.


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Thank you for your answers. I contacted Avid support. Hope I get a solution.


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gaetzsch wroteThank you for your answers. I contacted Avid support. Hope I get a solution.

The true (real) solution is to stay on Windows 10. It is mature, stable and universally supported by everyone to 2025 (and probably longer).

There is still little to no reason to be on Win 11 — it is still not ready for primetime even after almost a year.

If getting stuff done is your goal — best to leave the OS alone and focus on what matters. Especially when Avid is involved.

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    Deactivate every other sound hardware in device manager

Use only an original USB 2.0 port


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Ok, after getting this answer from Avid:

I apologize to inform you that we don’t have any troubleshooting or workaround using Eleven Rack on Studio One as it is a third party company. Please contact Studio One regarding your issue.

and since user Werner managed to get Studio One to work with the Eleven Rack on Windows 11, it must be my system.

I disabled all other sound devices and am now using a USB 2.0 port. But that didn’t help either.


Windows 10 / 11, Intel I5-12600K, Gigabyte Z690 GAMING DDR4, 32 GB RAM, Presonus R65, ESP 400Series Telecaster, Ibanez LR 750, Fender Precision Bass, Avid Eleven Rack, Faderport 16, Studio One 5 Pro, Jamstix 4, Melodyne, SSD5, EZ Drummer 3, SSL Plugins

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Werner, you already use the new Win 11 build 22H2. I will give it a try.


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It may be that the functionality depends on the specific PC system. Here it works in any case. However, I usually don’t use the Eleven Rack as a sound card, but only for the guitar. The signal goes via S/PDIF then to the Fireface. The Eleven Rack becomes master clock. In this case I don’t need to deactivate anything in the device manager. Good luck!


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gaetzsch wroteWerner, you already use the new Win 11 build 22H2. I will give it a try.

unfortunately that didn’t help


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Confirm your firmware is on 1.0.3, otherwise update

https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/artic … d/en371135

If no joy try a full uninstall of.the drivers, reboot and install them again (latest).

You may consider a dual boot and run Windows 10 if you have enough hard drive space, that’s gonna be a lot of work.


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@PreAl: I already have a dual boot system. Everything works fine on Windows 10. My Eleven Rack has firmware 2.0.1. I don’t want to go back. I would lose my expansion pack.


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gaetzsch wrote@PreAl: I already have a dual boot system. Everything works fine on Windows 10. My Eleven Rack has firmware 2.0.1. I don’t want to go back. I would lose my expansion pack.

Ah ha! — assume that’s the latest. Well regardless please check my suggestions anyway about full uninstall/reboot/install, worth a go…


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I made it as described — no success


Windows 10 / 11, Intel I5-12600K, Gigabyte Z690 GAMING DDR4, 32 GB RAM, Presonus R65, ESP 400Series Telecaster, Ibanez LR 750, Fender Precision Bass, Avid Eleven Rack, Faderport 16, Studio One 5 Pro, Jamstix 4, Melodyne, SSD5, EZ Drummer 3, SSL Plugins

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