W140 start error

Добрый день! W140 1998 3.2 бенз. не заводится. Похоже слетел иммо. На приборке "Start error" Авто открывается/закрывается, стартер крутит, топливный насос работает. Два ключа ведут себя идентично. Сломалось внезапно, "по ходу жизни". В ближайшие полгода никаких работ не производилось. По...

  • #1

Добрый день!
W140 1998 3.2 бенз. не заводится.
Похоже слетел иммо.
На приборке «Start error»
Авто открывается/закрывается, стартер крутит, топливный насос работает.
Два ключа ведут себя идентично.
Сломалось внезапно, «по ходу жизни». В ближайшие полгода никаких работ не производилось.
По диагностике RFL — B1000 — рекомендуют замену блока
По ошибкам в ME — DAS and ME-SFI control module comp. — NO !!! (подкидывал другой иммо — это значение YES)
Напряжение на катушку есть, но значение вставленного транспондера не меняется.
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Комплекта ключи+иммо днем с огнем не найти (моторник занулить и привязать проблем нет)
Слышал краем уха что как-то можно сделать моторник «без иммо».
Может кто-то в курсе?

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На приборке «Start error»
Авто открывается/закрывается, стартер крутит, топливный насос работает.
Два ключа ведут себя идентично.

по ошибкам — рассинхронизация иммо.

система fbs2b

возможно блок сдох (исходя из 1000 ошибки). или что-то в блоке иммо, например епром.

по епц есть комплект A1408908373 (два ключа, блок, личинки) и отдельно блок A1298203626

Последние изменения: Ноя 9, 2020

  • #3

Ребята, кто из Минска.
Может знаете кого, еще живого, кто помнит, как подружить ключи+иммо+моторник? :)

  • #4

Выложите куда-нибудь дампы посмотреть и номера блоков. !998 год — должен же быть чип вроде.

  1. 3rd February, 2011, 06:12 PM


    #1

    Hi, friends
    I need help with w140 300td 1998. I have Start Error problem on this car. I tried to made new key with Gambit, but no luck. I dont have MB Star and did diag by X-431 and didnt have errors. I cant get actual dates for DAS and cant see whether the key is valid. What problems can I have?


  2. 3rd February, 2011, 09:22 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaveruha
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    Hi, friends
    I need help with w140 300td 1998. I have Start Error problem on this car. I tried to made new key with Gambit, but no luck. I dont have MB Star and did diag by X-431 and didnt have errors. I cant get actual dates for DAS and cant see whether the key is valid. What problems can I have?

    try

    Start Error ok


  3. 3rd February, 2011, 10:43 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliali18
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    try Start Error ok

    TNX m8
    I will try tomorow. What soft are you use? Whether there was an error in my dumps?


  4. 3rd February, 2011, 11:56 PM


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    Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaveruha
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    TNX m8
    I will try tomorow. What soft are you use? Whether there was an error in my dumps?

    You worked ? ? ?


  5. 4th February, 2011, 09:55 AM


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliali18
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    You worked ? ? ?

    Are you used ImmoKiler? I watched your immos file, and it has other type. I cant do keys new key for your file. It looks bad idea try to burn this dump to MCU.


  6. 4th February, 2011, 11:39 AM


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaveruha
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    Are you used ImmoKiler? I watched your immos file, and it has other type. I cant do keys new key for your file. It looks bad idea try to burn this dump to MCU.

    you may try it…
    post result


  7. 4th February, 2011, 03:57 PM


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  8. 4th February, 2011, 07:48 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by vanos batam
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    you may try it…
    post result

    TNX for help, but your dump is similar with aliali18.


  9. 5th February, 2011, 01:06 AM


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaveruha
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    TNX for help, but your dump is similar with aliali18.

    NO…
    The dump not same..


  10. 5th February, 2011, 01:55 AM


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    Quote Originally Posted by cardoctor
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    NO…
    The dump not same..

    No m8, is same.


  11. 9th February, 2011, 07:01 PM


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    Problem was in immo»s MCU. Replace immobox solved problem.


 

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Lugy


After some help here, my car won’t start. It will turn over but a start error warning flashes on the dash. All fuses and relays seem fine. Any suggestions?

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It may be related. I suspect it could be.

It needs a Star plugged in first

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Lugy


Noooo :(

Thats something I really could do without at the moment working poncey shifts and being as skint as I am just now! Would be my luck though. I take it there are no self tests I can perform?

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Not really. It is immobilised in some way. Try the spare key first.

A 140 is an expensive car to fix. It always was and always will be.

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Lugy


I’ll try that when I get in, I played around with the red alarm type key, there’s no mention of it in the manual though.

Anything to get rid of the Zafira I’m using just now :(

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Quincy_W140


It turns over… does it try to fire?
If it’s turning over thencould be fuel pump, empty tank :) or bad spark quality?
Have you checked the battery?
Process of elimination I guess.
If it’s immobilised I wouldn’t expect it to turn over (is that true?).

Q.

  • #8

Lugy


It doesn’t even think about starting, just turns over. Tried the spare key and replaced the batteries in the normal one. I had a wee poke around the PSE pump but didn’t see anything obvious.

Strangely the battery was flat when I tried it earlier, there’s obviously some sort of drain. Going to buy a fault code reader (with 38pin attachment obviously), it’ll be handy to have if nothing else.

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You tried charging up the battery?
Once they drop below a certain level they seem to deteriorate pretty quickly.

I hardly started my w124 from xmas week to mid jan because of the snow and xmas holidays and mine was the same, wouldnt even turn over, lights on the dash and interior light dim.

I gave the battery a 10 hour charge and with regular driving its been sound.

Did the 140 just stop all of a sudden?

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Lugy


You tried charging up the battery?
Once they drop below a certain level they seem to deteriorate pretty quickly.

I hardly started my w124 from xmas week to mid jan because of the snow and xmas holidays and mine was the same, wouldnt even turn over, lights on the dash and interior light dim.

I gave the battery a 10 hour charge and with regular driving its been sound.

Did the 140 just stop all of a sudden?

I was jumping it from another (running) car, before that the battery has definitely been sound, I’d wage something on it being drained. I’ve disconnected it now in the hope it clear some fault codes (optimistic here!). I drove it about 5m this morning, then later on it didn’t work :(

Bloody modern cars! Should have kept my 1400 carb Nova :(

  • #11

Lugy


Still no luck here. Disconnecting the battery has done sod all :(

My X114 plug seems to be on the OS strut top, is this right? Everywhere seems to suggest it’s beside the ECU!?

Also can anyone confirm that a 1997 car uses OBD2?

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Lugy


Okay, the boy with the STAR came out tonight. All he could find was something up with the K40 relay (the one that Carl in Dalkeith pointed at over the phone :D).

I’m to take it out and leave it overnight giving it a good thump on the way back in LOL. If that fails he’ll come back out and look again.

Strangely there were no faults in the PSE system :confused:. He remembers that they’re linked. It’s quite odd though that the indicators flash when I press the fob I thought, though it’d seem that the car has an aftermarket alarm fitted (little red key/chip that has a little plug in the footwell).

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K40 relays were/are common across the range for failing. That is probably the fault.

It’s an internal fuse/relay unit, they typically have issues with solder cracking & internal fuses blowing.
A dealer will replace the part as a complete rather expensive unit, if your handy with a soldering iron & have a good eye some people have dismantled them themselves and fixed the solder and/or replaced the internal fuses if it’s turned out they are the fault. It could just be completely knackered though!

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Okay, the boy with the STAR came out tonight. All he could find was something up with the K40 relay (the one that Carl in Dalkeith pointed at over the phone :D).

I’m to take it out and leave it overnight giving it a good thump on the way back in LOL. If that fails he’ll come back out and look again.

Strangely there were no faults in the PSE system :confused:. He remembers that they’re linked. It’s quite odd though that the indicators flash when I press the fob I thought, though it’d seem that the car has an aftermarket alarm fitted (little red key/chip that has a little plug in the footwell).

Have you got a picture of the chip? Might still be an MB system , i seem to remember cars of that vintage having that red key you are describing.

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Lugy


Here it is.

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